Judging by the Twitter stream last night, this episode left everyone with mouth agape. Our reaction was pretty much exactly the same! There were a lot of OMGWTF moments, and quite a few OMWoobie moments. We learned a lot of really important information about vampires, specific and in general. It was madness. And because it was such madness, Cin and I spent a record 4 hours on the phone last night analyzing and over-analyzing everything ever in the world! Thus we’ve both been zombies all day (that reminds me! I need to set my DVR for The Walking Dead!). So… stick that in your juice box and SUCK IT! Anyway, check out our initial reactions roundtable discussion to last night’s ep:
Main Players: Cin and Christina (SBH owners); Cat (SBH contributor and friend).
Whoa, MYTHOLOGY!Christina: Wow, I think we learned more about the mythology of these vampires and this supernatural world than we have in any other episode. I mean, seriously, let’s count them out. We have the Originals — which are TOTES more awesome than any silly Volturi. Psshh. We also learned that Elena is a Petrova Doppelgänger. PETROVA DOPPELGÄNGER! WTF? Oh, and the best part? She’s the SECOND one. Katherine/Katerina was the FIRST one. WHATWHATWHAT?!
Cin: Well, we are ASSUMING she is the 2nd one. She very well may be the 6th for all we know.
Christina: True. They did only say that Kat was the first. But then the whole deal with the moonstone and the doppelgänger. What was the rule, Cin?
Cin: Rule? Do you mean what Rose said? “The moonstone binds the sun & moon curse, the blood of the Petrova doppleganger can break it”?
Christina: Yes, that’s it. I mean… the implications of what that means! Especially since Elijah said he knows “for a fact” that Katherine’s in died out with her. How old is that line?!
Cat: It’s the blood of the doppleganger! I love that phrase (even though it has implications for our fair damsel) Elena’s sacrifice. Why exactly would you want to break the curse? What curse? For all vampires and weres or just these? I’m still confused.
Cin: They said the ‘sun and moon curse’ or something. I think it’s that same thing that Jer & Alaric were reporting to Damon in 2.05 (Kill or Be Killed) – something about an Aztec shaman? Then Damon later said ‘Why would Katherine want to free you of a curse that would enable werewolves to destroy all vampires’. Here is my guess: The “curse” affects vampires by keeping them from walking in the sun and it affects werewolves in that it keeps them from turning at any time EXCEPT during the full moon. In other words, giving them control over when they turn or if at all. Basically it makes both more powerful. BUT the weres would have the upper hand because their bite can kill vamps. BUT I don’t really see that as an issue when a vamps super-speed would enable them to run up & rip out furry hearts & break furry necks. Anyway, it’s a really big deal. LOL
Christina: That was my understanding too. So while it would allow vamps more mobility, it would also up the potential danger they could face. Maybe the originals know something else we don’t, because is it really worth it?
The Originals and the Vamps Who Fear Them
Christina: I’m just going to go ahead and say it. I know he’s the “bad guy” — but HOW FREAKIN’ AWESOME is Elijah?! I mean, just the obvious — how the FRIG do you die… and then NOT DIE?? He is also quite easy to look at, which is nice.
Cin: How do you get more badass than ripping out a spine or heart? YOU SLAP A VAMPS HEAD CLEAN OFF!!! Ninja! So awesome. And the UN-dying thing – like, wow. That’s like Lestat bullshit right there. I’m still like in awe.
Cat: Elijah may be my favorite vamp to date. Are originals truly immortal? Can they only die with the breaking of the curse? Is that why Elijah wants the doppelganger & the moonstone – not to break the curse but to make sure it’s not broken?
Christina: That’s actually was I was thinking. Which makes him even more awesome and potentially dangerous. There was also Trevor and Rose.
Cin: Are we really supposed to believe that a vamp who is 500+ years old and who maybe turned Katarina/Katherine is named “Trevor”? This could be an alias, but for reals? TREVOR? Trev?
Christina: Oh, Trev, dost though knowest of the Petrova Doppelgänger? TREVAH!
Cin: ((Beel Compton voice)) Trevahhh! Yes we are retarded, but moving on… I liked Rose a bit, she seemed both interesting & clever. But I find it hard to respect too many vamps, no matter how old they are, who haven’t found themselves a witch to spell them up some daywalker bling.
Cat: It is kind of a let down that the cool new kids aren’t daywalkers. 😦 How will they interact at the founders festivalapaloozas?
Cin: I KNOW! How stupid is that? I mean, I’m almost positive that Super Elijah was a daywalker (but maybe not) and from promo pics I’m guessing either Rose already is/was or the Salvatores hook a sista up. Huh… Does Bonnie realize she could probably go into the vamp accessories business & make buttloads of cash? Maybe Damon could be her agent. I’M SMELLING SPINOFF COMEDY!
Cat: Wasn’t it daytime when he came to the captivity house?
Cin: Yeah, that’s what I think. And in next week’s Rose is too – so maybe it was just Trev that wasn’t because she couldn’t trust him to behave.
Christina: But they have been on the run. Maybe they just never came across any witches? OR Maybe the Bennetts are the ONLY WITCHES IN THE WORLD. That seems much more likely.
Cin: I mean, they MUST be. Then again there was Bree (the marvelous Gina Torres – our first heart-removal death) last year…
Christina: Well, Bree could have been. I mean, I don’t understand the effed up family math that Lucy was doing last week. Maybe Bree’s like some Third Cousin Half a Baker’s Dozen Times Removed for all we know.
Cin: ROFL! True facts. You’re cousins, we get it, but why try to make our brains hurt? What has the viewing public done to deserve the MIND BULLETS?!? I promise you that Bonnie didn’t understand that shit either. Does anyone? But anyway, Bree didn’t know the jewelry/daywalker spell either. Maybe Emily & her all-knowing Grimoire hold the patent on that ju-ju.
Cat: I just assumed it was a Bennett specialty. Otherwise they’d all be daywalkers.
Christina: That’s a certain possibility. In that case, I suppose you can’t fault Trev and Rose. I don’t know… I don’t know if I totally trust Rose. Showing up to OUR house like that. Just waltzing in like she owns the damn place. Me no likey.
Cin: I’m not overly FOND of that part either, but seriously they have GOT to get themselves a human in that house. This has been a reoccurring problem since S1. They can’t protect the property because it’s like an open clubhouse to all vamps.
Christina: More than that, I just don’t know if I totally trust her motives. She’s there to help Stefan and Damon keep Elena safe, right? I don’t know. There has to be something else she wants. I just don’t trust her.
Cin: I think her motive is more to keep herself off the ‘Originals’ shit list. I mean, she made the deal with Elijah, but Elijah was then killed. Even though he has risen he might still count that as a betrayal. I don’t think she gives a rats ass about anything but not pissing these vamps off.
Christina: That’s a good point. But Stefan was the one who actually did the impaling. So, if we’re saying that attempting to kill Elijah is enough to get someone on the Originals’ Shit List, then Stefan would be on it. So how would helping Stefan keep her off their list? See? This is why I don’t fully trust her. Plus, I don’t trust anyone who runs around with a 500-year-old Vampire named TREVAHHHH!
Cin: That is a fantastic point. Really she’s going to HAVE to get Damon naked for me to fully trust her. *nods*
Christina: And how can we forget the worst baddie of them all: KLAUS! OMG book tie-in! Just the way they sort of mentioned him in passing, but it was totes ominous… I’m nervous. I wonder if Klaus is going to be the uber-creep that he was in the book. Ooh! Or what if Klaus isn’t even a dude?! What if (s)he’s the ORIGINAL Petrova?!?! I just blew my own mind…
Cin: Totally. When we were talking about that last night it just – well, it’s the kind of thing that I think Williamson/Plec would pull. It would be all kinds of double rainbow fantastic too.
Cat: Isn’t Rose supposed to be getting into Damon’s pants?
Cin: That’s what I thought. She needs to get on that pronto. If we don’t get a shirtless Salvatore in the next few episodes I’m going to pitch a fucking tantrum! Damon NEEDS to be sexed up. Often.
Cat: Now I have all of these spinoff ideas in my head “Salvatores After Dark” with nekkid Damon and whomever hahahaha
Cin: *purrs* Salvatores After Dark is soooooooooooooooooo what I want someone to write as a fic series for SBH. Wouldn’t that be just entirely too fuckawesome? LOL
OH MY WOOBIE!!
Christina: I’m almost hesitant to start this section. We need to talk about it, but it… IT HURTS, CIN! My heart! The DEARS… they killed me! *cries*. Damon, man. All that emotion. I think what was so upsetting was 1) we KNOW how much he cares about Elena — when Stefan is running off to save her and is surprised that Damon wants to go. What was Damon’s response? “It’s Elena!” I KNOW! — and 2) I did NOT expect the tears. I had heard tell there was going to be a declaration of love/affection this episode, but I had totes written it off as Bonermy or something. I didn’t expect it to be Damon. And the tear! Oh, the tear as he’s compelling her!!!
Cin: Actually, I think it was just the ONE DEAR, which of course is TOTES worse. I was sooooo not expecting any of that. My notes say something like “DAMON!!! OMG – I’M DEAD!!!!” I’m still kinda blown away by it.
Christina: Yeah, it was just one. But STILL! It’s really upsetting, but you just KNOW that Elena is going to remember somehow. Whether it helps or hurts him, I don’t know. But it’ll come up again. I’m pretty much positive.
Cat: No offense to the Stelena fans, but those 2 minutes of Damon blew everything that came before away. That speech alone puts him in the “worthy” column for Elena (even though I think she needs to work on the worthiness 🙂 ) I can’t believe how awesome that was. I’m going to watch that 50 times just like the porch kiss.
Cin: I agree that Ian was amazing, as was the scene – as far as ‘worthy’… Yeah, I agree there too. But my big thing is, I don’t think they belong together. The more scenes like this we get of him wanting her love & her rejecting him or just being his friend – it pushes me FARTHER away from the couple instead of closer to it. It’s hard to explain, but the word ‘worthy’ doesn’t cover it for me. It’s not supposed to happen IMO (and yes, that is ONLY my opinion). I think that Damon shouldn’t have to prove himself but should be loved for just how he is. He can be good & he can be bad & he can be terrible & he can be wonderful. Love isn’t tests. Love isn’t worth. REAL soul mate love is compatibility in all things and it just being right. A friendship & a partnership. Total acceptance & support at all times. Trust me – tomorrow (11/6/10) is my 11th wedding anniversary. LOL
Cat: Cin, I’m in 100% agreement with you. “Worthy” was his word, not mine. I don’t think they should be a couple either because he’ll never be enough for Elena and I think he’s got more to offer than apologies. Damon needs a woman who appreciates who he is. All of it.
Cin: Thanks! And I love that line “he’s got more to offer than apologies”. That’s it in a nutshell.
Christina: I’m totes in the DamCar, but I also have a soft spot for Delena (Okay, Stelena too. This show makes me feel like a 13-year-old the way it toys with my emotions!). But just because Elena rejects him now doesn’t mean that she always will. I don’ t think Damon will ever really change (and I DON’T WANT HIM TO!). Elena is just so… up in her own ass, so to speak, that she doesn’t see it. Maybe I’m projecting. I’m just not going to write them off yet. But think remembering that scene… *sigh*
Bonnie’s Got the Bleeds
Christina: I like that Bonnie is willingly helping people out still. And that spell where she sent Elena the note was pretty damn cool. The whole “I push too hard, it pushes back thing” about her witchery makes me a little nervous. Not that I really fear they’re going to kill her (even though I sometimes wished they would), but still. Though, if she and Jeremy become Bonermy, she’s going to HAVE to die. Amiright?! Also, I was totes just waiting for them to make out at like every turn.
Cat: I may regret this, but I’m starting to feel warmly about both Jeremy & Bonnie.
Cin: *gulp* me too. It makes me feel kinda dirty actually.
Christina: I’m kind of okay with it too. I need a shower…
Cin: Jeez, are we turning into softies or what? LOL
Christina: I’m actually liking Jeremy more and more as the episodes go on. I mean, I don’t even really notice his mouth-breathing as much as I used to! I’m really enjoying that he really is turning into a mini-Alaric. Though I wish we would see more of the REAL one more, writers!!
Cin: I know! And he’s almost like dashing. People were all pissy that I called him a mini-Padalecki last week, but was Padalecki that fucking dashing when he was on Gilmore Girls? I don’t really think so! It’s almost like McQueen’s been watching new step-daddy Alaric super close because he is NAILING the broody-dashing-protective-angry thing. And he gave us JEARS last night, and they didn’t make me want to die inside! It was sweet. Sometimes I’m so easy. Well, most of the time, but you know what I mean.
Christina: Haha, they didn’t make you want to die inside. Word. I’ve caught myself really digging his new attitude. He suddenly seems like a peer instead of a little brother (though, that is admittedly one of the parts of Bonermy that makes me feel dirty). And he is dashing for sure…
Cat: I’m so confused by your post Cin. LOL First of all, who is the alleged mini Padalecki? Cuz neither is that hot or awesome. And was there another Alaric? I don’t get it.
Cin: Do you even play #VDbingo? Mini-Alaric is Jer’s square. And OK, McQueen is what, like early 20’s? I say put Padalecki at that age next to him & no – Padalecki still has stupid hair most of the time, he’s just too hot for people to bitch about it. I think McQueen will be super hot when he’s older. And since he’s not emoland all the time this year, I think it’s starting to show a bit now.
Cin: Caroline was pretty awesome as usual. LOVED the DamCar scene at the head of the episode & how badass she was when abusive Tyler tried to vamphandle her. Umm, NO WAY WOLFY! That is one girl who will beat your fuckin’ ass if lay hands on her. I mean, Caroline is what? A month old now? And she is already a better vamp than Vicki & Isobel put together. Sure she ‘disobeyed’ Damon, but she had to tell Tyler something. AND she still protected the Salvatores. Plus for that.
Christina: YES! I was so super impressed with Caroline this episode (when am I not?!). I really enjoy how unselfish VampCaroline is — always concerned with how others react, and how others are dealing with things (Hello, Matty!). I like how she’s not afraid of anyone anymore, how she can just twist Tyler’s arm and shove him to the ground — not to mention elbow the boy she loves IN THE FACE to keep him from getting himself mauled. Her and Tyler being so chummy is a little weird though. Friends? Totes. Some people in the Twitter stream were suggesting they should be more than that… Yeah… not so sure about that.
Cin: What I am NOT digging is the Caroline/Tyler crap. If it stays on a friendship level that’s OK. ANYTHING more than that I’m totally against. I still don’t like Tyler. I feel kinda bad for him right now, but I don’t like him. If my DamCar sire/child hookups aren’t happening then she belongs with Matty/Peeta. And OK, everyone KNOWS how much I love me some Matt – but how in the world does he stay relevant if he’s not in the mix with every other character on the show. I mean, he & Jenna & Carol & Sheriff Mom are now the only semi-regular cast who aren’t mixed up in the shit. Everyone but Matty lives with other people kinda keeping them relevant. *sigh* It just makes me uncomfortable.
Cat: Sorry Cin, but Matty/Peeta isn’t on the “key personnel” list. Caroline is not going the distance with that one. DamCar! DamCar!
Cin: I’m OK with all of that – but how is his story so important then? So speaking of DamCar – how awesome was the sire/child scene at the beginning? I loved how easy it was. I really wish this mythology had a sire/child connection. It’s the only watchable part of TB for me and it would only make this show more awesome. *sigh* I just don’t understand WHY there are two attractive vamps who aren’t bumping uglies whenever they can. I mean, you have a humanity switch. Flick that bitch & go to funkytown!
Christina: Hahaha #soundsdirtybutisnt #okayitkindofis. I agree. I LOVE Matty/Peeta, but if he’s not directly involved with our core group, what relevance does he have? Like Jenna. She comes and goes. Not really relevant. She’s a prop, essentially. I don’t want Matty to become a prop, but he def is in danger of becoming so. But yes, the maker/child relationship. I wish that was part of this mythology — like can a sire/maker sense their child/progeny’s presense? Or vice versa? There can’t be NO significance to that relationship. Damon and Caroline have potential for GREATNESS in their relationship. I wish they’d explore it more.
Cin: I think that Damon considers Caroline part of his family now. I don’t think she is as important to him as Stefan or Elena quite yet but if she were in danger he would do just about anything to save her. He has seen that Caroline is NOT Vicki or Isobel. That he made a child who is useful & clever & awesome! Now, he needs to totally make more 😉
Cat: I agree. I wish sire/child mattered. I don’t want Caroline palling around with the boring vampires. I want her with Damon all the time. Sexy time or no.
Cin: They are so fantastic together. Actually, I think the DamCar is almost as amazing as the Bromance. It’s gotten that good. And Caroline so needs to move into the SBH. Pronto!
Christina: Totes agree. I’m really hoping that this branching out — her proving that she can disobey Damon and yet still have the situation completely under control (provided she actually CAN keep Tyler under control) could be a big step in that direction. So so much potential… to go either way. It’s exciting. And that’s good telelvision! 🙂
So, what do you think? Questions, comments?! Declarations of Woobie love? See below!